Heartbreak, Pain & Disappointment | The 2:00AM Crew | Ep. 43

The New York Mets have lost 12 straight games… and yeah, we’re not okay.

In this episode of The 2:00AM Crew, Rick Hierro and Jason Enrique let it all out — the frustration, the disbelief, and the emotional damage of watching this team fall apart in real time. From questionable decisions to lack of execution, nothing is off limits.

Is this rock bottom… or can it somehow get worse?

We break down:

What’s REALLY going wrong with the Mets
The biggest frustrations from this losing streak
Who deserves the blame
And whether there’s ANY hope left this season

This isn’t just analysis… this is therapy for Mets fans.

If you’ve been riding with this team through the pain, this episode is for you.

🎙️ The 2:00AM Crew — where real fans keep it real, no matter how ugly it gets.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:44

Welcome, welcome to the podcast. Jason will join us shortly. It's been a rough couple days. So let me adjust my uh here. It's been a rough couple days. Uh on Monday, I live streamed game two, Knicks versus the Hawks. Uh, if you guys are watching, I kinda I broke my headphones. I was a lot going on. Wasn't our night. I was trying to not pay attention to what was going on with the Mets. Um, you know, the Knicks are a great distraction. Uh they're I'm very passionate about the New York Knicks, as most New Yorkers are. And I felt like they would provide me with some relief of this pain that I've been having in my chest. Um I came into the season with great expectations. I'm not gonna lie. Uh last year, I kind of felt like the front office felt this was still Francisco's Lindoros team. They took a gamble, they brought P back. It didn't work out. Um that was not David Stern's plan. As you all recognize, Steve Cohen was the one that went after and uh Pete Alonzo brought P back. I felt like this year Stern really made the moves that he wanted to assemble a team that he felt uh would produce winning baseball. Um so this is definitely his team. This is definitely his uh his signature. Uh Jason is joining us shortly right now. Um Jason.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 2:46

Yes and I'm going through my soliloquy right now. So my co-host Jason Enrique has joined us.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Yes, indeed. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the 2 a.m. crew. I am as foremention, Jason Enrique, the co-host, but uh enough about me. How are you doing, my friend? I I feel like you could use some comfort, some uh a friend to talk to, the talking pillow, the proverbial talking pillow.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

I I mean, I'm gonna be a hundred percent honest. Like, yes, the losing started, right? And I kind of when they lost three or four games in a row, I was like, maybe this is not the team that we envisioned. The roster looks kind of flawed, but besides the roster being flawed, there isn't an actual vocal alpha in the Mets locker room. And you thought that you had that with Lindore, and I thought Francisco would be that guy, so I I feel like the reason Cohen made that statement about not having a captain right now was because the team is pivoting to being Juan Soto's team. This is the first incarnation of what Juan Soto's team would look like. Last year, Stevie Cohen gave Lindore a shot. Um, he brought Alonzo back himself, and then I felt like this offseason he took the gloves off. He said, David Stearns, I give you the full control of the of the team. You can make the moves you want. So all these moves are actual, they're David Stern moves. This is David Stern work right now that we're watching.

SPEAKER_03 4:27

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 4:28

Um, and it hasn't been that great. And the reason it hasn't been that great is because there isn't a united front with this squad, right? Um, yeah, you you saw it from game one. I didn't want to believe that there's like a tension or something between Soto and Dorb. I and I don't think there's tension or dislike, I think it's just the ego thing between the two. I think the two do respect each other, but I don't think they've sat down and had a conversation of like, hey, understand I'm Batman and you're Robin.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

And I like again, I want to give you credit for the uh the article that you posted. I'm gonna give you a little plug here, the little article that you posted a while back. Yeah, yeah. And and you know, I think it's actually even more relevant now than ever. You saw it basically ahead of time, and it seems like it's coming to fruition, unfortunately, for best fans.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Yeah, I wanted to uh I wanted to put it out there like, hey, in order for this to be successful, we need to avoid what Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez did, right?

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Um, not to any fault of Jeter. The Yankees are his squad, they are his team. Uh Alex the Yankees just won. Oh, thank you. Yes, yes, of course. And and the Mets are uh tied in top of the eighth man on with uh Bell up, and and Bell's probably gonna hit a bomb. Um so I I felt like it was very important that they really uh avoid avoid that problem. Yeah, shout out to the baseball aficionado, man. I can't wait to have him back on. We're on a better service now, better street. Like I could talk baseball with him all day long.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

I mean, who's to say that he can't join us?

SPEAKER_04 6:36

I mean, yeah, if if he's available, he uh he can shoot me at the Santos. If you're available, let me know. Yeah, and I I don't I don't yeah, it is ego, and I agree with you 100%. I just feel like they haven't had that conversation between the two. And when Soto was a Yankee, he was the Robin to judge, and Soto's like, I don't think that's the role for me because the only other person that compares to me is Barry Bonds, numbers-wise, where I'm at in my career right now. So I soto's like, I know where my trajectory is going. Um, but I and I and I think Lindor is the type of guy that if they do have that heart to heart in that conversation, he he will they will figure this out together. But Mendoza, and this is why I said Mendy needs to be fired. Mendy has to push that. Okay. So now give me your thoughts now.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Go ahead. Well, what I wanted to ask you also is what are your thoughts on what uh Juan Soto said today to the media when he was like, I don't know, the team has been out of town, I haven't really spoken to anybody.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

If that's not a sign of disconnect right there with the team and your teammates, I don't think I don't think he totally was disconnected from the team. I think uh so the calf strain, right? Right, uh, which Lindor has that now, so Mets fans be uh very weary. The calf strain is a serious injury because you can eventually tear an Achilles if you don't take care of it the right way. Uh and I think Soto's just so laser focused on getting healthy and being better every day that you know I don't think he was around, I think he's he's being brutally honest, and I'd rather him be honest than be fake. Um Soto's not a leader, and and I agree with you, he's not, he's uh you saw with the Dominican team, he wasn't the like proverbial leader of the team, he's the let me do my thing type of guy, and I and I think that Lindor is the guy that holds him accountable. They just need to have that conversation and and form that United front because once they do that, every other player on that roster is gonna fall in line.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

So and it's almost like it's funny because you mentioned the whole you you gave the analogy of Batman and Robin. It's basically like Dick Grayson has Bruce Wayne money right now with the mess, but you need your Bruce Wayne, you need your Batman, and you're asking Robin to be the hero. Uh absolutely correct.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Like, excuse me, excuse me, and and now Lindor's not there, so what do you do? Right, like do you Soto's gonna try to force it, right? He's gonna try to push this thing around because he one thing he's not he's not a leader, but he does not like to look back, correct? He doesn't, um, and and the the younger guys gravitate towards him, he's got a great relationship relationship with Robert, he's got a great relationship with Polanco. Some of the mess players they do gravitate towards him. Um, can he learn to be the more vocal leader? Absolutely. I don't think that's his style, but I think him and Nindor have to have that conversation where uh Paquito, you've been here longer, you're the one that's gotta hold these guys accountable. But again, Mendy's gotta he's gotta facilitate that. Mendy's gotta give them that space. So I I mean, I don't know, man. This is it's it's been very tough to watch, honestly. Um, and it doesn't look like it looks like they're all expecting to lose every game. Uh I don't think they're taking the field thinking they're gonna they're gonna win.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

No, because you saw yesterday's game, even in the highlights where they were actually raking, and then you had Lindor come out with the construction uniform, you know, basically, you know, I mean the bag, and so on and so forth. And then next thing you know, Devin Williams, who I think is definitely not built for New York, based on what he did in the Bronx and now what he's doing in Queens, this guy is basically a black Sonny Gray. He just he doesn't have what it takes to be a New York player.

SPEAKER_04 11:07

I mean, I'm not gonna say that. I mean, he's had his moments early on with us. He's looked terrible lately, yes. He's got some good stuff.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

I just think that maybe it's the pitching, maybe he's the pitching coach, maybe it's uh I well it's a it's a valid reason because you have uh Mendy basically has an entire new coaching staff. The coaching staff he had last year is gone, and then uh he's he's still end up uh he still is gonna end up being the scapegoat of this.

SPEAKER_04 11:34

Like I mean, he's surrounded by guys that are not his.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Right. So I mean that's where man, that's where you lose me with management. Like uh hashtag.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Man, I wish he was with I wish we had him on the street right now. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

Well, he he's he always has a welcome, uh he's he has a welcome brother. Always welcome us. Um, but uh losing my train of thought here. But you know, if you were gonna get rid of his his coaching staff, then you might as well have got rid of him, and then you could have easily hired somebody like Carlos Beltran or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

I mean, that was my next that's what I'm leaning towards, too.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

So if one of you and our co-host, Brie.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

And I don't I don't wanna I like Carlos Mendoza. I think in a different situation where he's got his guys and um he's motivating from a different this roster's not built. The guys he has on his roster, he won't be able to get to the guys that you have on this roster, you need someone that's gonna command the respect in the locker room immediately. And I and I think Beltron does that for you instantly. Uh because I'm not a Method Hall of Famer. I can even tell you Hall of Famer, Mets ties. Um, if if Beltron says anything to Francisco, Francisco's gonna listen. Same with Soto. Uh, he was the guy here in New York for the Mets. Uh, it changes the dynamic of the locker room immediately. A lot of people have said, no, you know, Carlos is on his, you know, his daughter's going to NYU, he's going into the Hall of Fame. You don't think Carlos Beltron wants to be the manager of this team? Uh today, like he wanted it badly, and they robbed him of that opportunity before.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Yeah, he was supposed to be away. He he technically was your manager at one point, it was just extremely short-lived. It was taken away from him unceremoniously.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

And he's never got a second shot. And why not, right? Why not now? We're retiring his number, he's going into the hall of fame. I'm pretty sure. I mean, it's a difficult situation to put him in, but I know he knows how to connect to these players. The dude's an absolute pro. He's had he has relationships with some of the guys on the roster already. Why not take an example? Why not take a chance? And he has a good relationship with the front office already as well.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Now, does he have a good relationship also with uh David Stearns? Because let's not forget. That I do not know. This is the ringleader of this entire thing, you know. Like you could blame either Steve Cohen or you could blame Stearns, but it ultimately falls on those two gentlemen right there, because this is the team that they put together, specifically Stearns, and this is the one that they this is the one that they want to trot out and shit and try to put out a championship team, and it's just not looking good right now. This is definitely matter of fact. I saw a terrible stat uh thanks to Bad M G Heb. It was a real kick in the nut. That's where they saw the last Mets lost 12 in a row. Uh the Jets were the East. Yeah. Wow. What a kick.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

Luke Weavers that was. Luke Weavers on currently right now. Two men on base, two hours, three-one count.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Um do you realize that do you realize that in 2002 I was 16? You were 16? I was 16 when it in 2002, and I'm turning 40 in two weeks. Oh my god, how old am I then? You're like 41, 42. I'm four, I'm be 42 in June. Yeah, because I remember the uh Rick H episode with you uh 40 in Vegas or something like that. Yeah, that was uh yeah. I'm that was about a year ago.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

So minus what? What are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Minus 13 410 2002, 20 uh no 2002.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

How much is that? What's the minor? I obviously I'm not a math guy. 2026, it would be minus 24. I was 17. You were 17. Wow, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Wow, and I was a Mets fan. We didn't even need to do all that math because you're just uh I'm just a year younger than you. So if I said I was 16, you could have said you're 17.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

I mean, I didn't know. You do look a lot younger than me, so um, and then you have the greatest hair in podcasting, so uh you have the greatest beard in podcasting. So I'm gonna run with that. I'm gonna run with that. Yeah, speaking of age, I want to give a quick shout out basis loaded, one two strikes. Come on, weaver, get out of this inning.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

Speaking of age, I just want to give a real, real quick shout-out to my boy Desmond Pearce. His birthday is today. He is Bo Jackson's a uh number jersey number, 34. So happy birthday to my guy Dez.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

So if if not, happy birthday, Des. Uh we'd love to have you back on the show. If not, Beltron, who's someone the Mets uh this is my I just put my opinion on the ticker. Who's someone you feel the Mets should look at as a manager? Some people say Joe Girardi, you know, who's someone you feel would uh immediately be able to uh command the respect of this locker room?

SPEAKER_03 16:51

I'll tell you one person that is interesting, and it would ride Yankee fans really, really bad. Domantially.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

But he's in Philly. There's no way. Right? Donnie's the Philly right now?

SPEAKER_03 17:10

I wasn't aware of that. I didn't know he was in Philly. I think he is. Well, Philly's also going through their own losing streak right now as well.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Yeah, I think he's he works for Philadelphia right now, currently.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

You gotta double check on that.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

Yeah, he's the bench coach for Philly.

unknown 17:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Why would you get yourself?

SPEAKER_04 17:33

The count is one two right now. Come on, weaver, get out of this inning, get out of this inning. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

I mean, on the on the bright side, if there's a bright side at all with the Mets, you gotta love what you're seeing from McLean.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

I mean, there's there's some spots, but it's not translating to overall team success.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Like who closed your team yesterday? Uh it wasn't David, it wasn't Devin Williams. Who came after Devin Williams?

SPEAKER_04 18:01

Austin somebody off the scrappy uh pop up in the infield. Secure this, secure this, Alvarez. Secure this. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

You had City Field chanting MVP after the uh the uh uh for the pitcher after uh Devin Williams, who basically closed out the game, uh when you guys were already it was already 5-3.

SPEAKER_04 18:24

Well I have I I I wanna I I wanna say something to the Mets fans. Right. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Um I'm gonna I'm gonna tap out for this one right now.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

No, no, you you don't need to. I just this is my message for all Mets fans. Continue to not show up to the stadium, continue to voice your displeasure with the team, continue to wear the brown paper bags. Um, but don't be for Gazi, don't say that you're not Metch fans. Like I wore my hat today, I've been wearing my hat this whole losing streak. I'm a Metch fan, right? Don't be Frank the Tank, but voice your displeasure to the team in the front office because one thing that has absolutely shocked me is the fact that Steve Cohen is allowing this type of failure, right? I don't know where his patience has gone with this team and David Stern, but uh I sometimes I wish he was a little bit more um George Steinbrenner-esque. You tell me, I'm the owner of the match, right? I'm Stevie Cohen. They lose yet uh not yesterday, they didn't play yesterday. Yeah, they did. They lose yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Yeah, they played yesterday, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

They were off uh Monday. They played yesterday. You you tell me we've lost 12 straight, first time since 2002. There's no sign of this thing turning around. Um, I need to make some changes. Since 2002, that's 24 years. Yeah, 24 years, right? The fans have a bad taste in their mouth from last season. They already don't like your GM and your president of baseball operations. I'm not saying fire Stearns now, but a change needs to be made. And firing Mendoza would put Stearns on the clock. Now Soto's up in this inning. Let's see. I I think he's gonna try to do too much. He hasn't been having Soto Escabats. See, he swang at the first one already. Um, I put the volume up a little bit. YouTube, please don't cancel me. So I sometimes wish Cohen would not talk to the media, but like put his foot on his organization and and demand more, right? That's what I feel like. They're just rolling over and dying and and like giving up, and and that's something that I I hate even more. This one soto, there's a hit right there, right? Where's the f where's the passion? Where is the the the the desire to want to win? Where is uh where's this energy when you sign soto about overtaking New York and being New York's team? Where is that? I don't see that anymore, right? Uh we're an embarrassment to the city, right? The Yankee fans are mocking us openly, which they have every right to do so because we fucking stink. Uh And and the I don't know, I take shit personal. I'm a competitor.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

And and I get it, this is not his business, but the owners already don't like you because you're the richest owner in baseball. You might as well start dropping your cojones everywhere, and you might as well start being a bully. Right. And I get it. You have a president of baseball operations, but you should consider hiring an advisor to sit next to you. Because he's Luis Roberts. That's announced to pop up. Soto's on first, he's gonna stay on first. And this is bottom of the eighth. It's it's go time, it's been go time for two weeks now for the Mets. And there is no go. Brett Beatty is up, one out, Soto on first.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

So is there any way that they could redeem the season, even though it's still early, or do you think that the moral the moral the morale of the locker room is already gone to next year?

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Nah, I don't think it's gone to next year, but you gotta get me those 12 losses back. I need a win streak that redeems those 12 losses. Yeah, I'm not asking you to win 12 straight, but if you win seven, eight, nine, ten in a row, and oh Soto got picked. Tried to do too much, picked off. What's the score right now? It's 2-2. It's it's tied. It's not like they're losing, but in their mind, they're already losing. It's the mentality of the squad. They have if they lose tonight and they don't fire Mendoza or do something drastic. I I I don't know if I can even watch this team for the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Do you think that firing Mendoza is gonna light a fire under their asses?

SPEAKER_04 24:11

It's not the firing of Mendy that's gonna do it, it's putting someone that's going to light a fire under their asses that's going to make it happen, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:23

Correct.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

They just showed a shot of Soto in the dugout. He looks frustrated. Um I really don't know where the solution is, but I said it today. I you know, I criticized, I didn't just criticize David Stern, I also criticized the owner because I feel like you know, this is your squad, this is your team, you bought it, and you are a Met fan, and I think you should lead being with lead with yes, it's a business for you, you're trying to make money, but also where is the competitive spirit? You've been the second fiddle in this city for so many years, and now you've not only are you fallen under that, but you've become a joke. You went to the NE NLCS two years ago as a uh of luck, luck out of luck, like Stearns got lucky that season, and he hasn't done anything since. So maybe you have to start evaluating the culture of the team, who you're hiring, like you're not, these are not leaders on this squad, and I don't think David Stern is a leader. Anytime you think you're the smartest guy in the room, it's the worst possible quality to have as a leader, in any in any capacity, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:46

In any capacity, in politics, politics, business, business, whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:52

Because you won't be able to connect to the other people that are around you. You're always gonna think you're better than those people. So I I I'm not saying doing it, do it now because the president of an organization is a serious position, and I think they should take their time and figure out where the direction of the team is and where they want to go first. Before you even start looking for someone, right? Um they've had some embarrassments before, you know. They hired a GM, there was a scandal with him, he had to get fired. You know, the whole thing with Beltron, although I feel like Beltron got the raw deal, you know, they he should have kept his job and they should have had an interim manager for a year or whatever it was, right? But who's doing the hiring? Who's leading this organization? And you're the owner of this team. You bought the team, you made a an investment. Yes, you want to do your casino. No one's gonna fucking go to that casino if you have a clunker of a team.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

You're preaching to the choir, you know, and and also the thing is is uh with Stern's, and we talked about this with the baseball aficionado a couple weeks ago, where Milwaukee has it looks like they haven't missed a step ever since Stern is gone. And they thought that that was the the answer to all of the prayers of Mets fans. Uh, a guy, an Ivy League guy who's actually able to make something with the Milwaukee Brewers by being smart, by being analytical, this, that, and the third. And uh it's it hasn't it just hasn't worked out. Now, one of the things that I wonder about is what if Steve Cohen actually gave David Stearns the reins from the beginning, as opposed to putting his foot uh his foot uh his fingerprints all over at first. Now he has the right to do that, he's the owner, but now he's actually giving Stearns the opportunity to really make this team in the way that he looks but he that he sees fit. But the whole but the whole interesting thing about it is that he's been gone from Milwaukee for a couple of years now, and Milwaukee still hasn't made uh lost a step.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

They're still pretty much I don't think I don't think we'd be any different. I'm be honest with you.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

I I feel like the bigger than David Stern's for you.

SPEAKER_04 28:09

It it is, and I I think that Mets fans were and the Stern people were excited because they were like, hey, look what he did in Milwaukee, right? What what did he necessarily do in Milwaukee? You know, he he managed and GM'd a team with a not a market as big as this, and he was smart. He did very good, he does very good deals on payroll, he doesn't commit to long-term deals and stuff like that, and he keeps everything flexible. I get all that, but as he put a winner, does he know about what a locker room needs to look like or a um uh uh uh the the the dynamics that you need in there? You need a veteran player that everyone listens to, you need a leader in his prime who's going to lead and hold people accountable. You need a young star that's coming into his own. Um you need role players around those people. This is besides of you know having a home run hitter, on base guy, this the these are attributes and personalities and qualities that have to be contributed into a locker room, right? Um and if your main star it worked for the Yankees because damn, this is gonna people are gonna smash me immediately. All right, Derek Jeter, pause and you pause, but you could chime in here. Derek Jeter was a he was a great player, right? Um he was the captain of the team, correct? But during the first four rings, he didn't necessarily and A-Rod said this, and he got a lot of flack for it. He didn't really necessarily have to be the rah-rah vocal, gather the guys around, get them motivated type of guy. Because Jeter's a lead by example type of guy, which is a good, it's a good leadership quality, but the alpha in the locker room, like a Posado, a Bernie, a O'Neill, a Pettit, um CC Sabatia in their later years, needs to be like a in-your face, hold you accountable type of guy, right? The difference between a Derek Jeter and a Kobe Bryant, there is a big difference, right? Kobe laid out the expectations, Jeter expected you to know them, right? Interesting. So that is not to say that he's a bad captain. He's not. But right, if he was lead by example and there was someone next to him that was in your face holding you accountable, type of guy, which he had in his early seasons, um, and then he later had on afterwards, and they got that 2009 ring, he would have been a lot more successful. Um, again, not a bad quality lead by example. Yes. Yeah, but sometimes when when things are going wrong, you need to be also verbal and you need to set the standard. And you know, like Kobe, when they drafted this uh a young Laker team, he got he he actually equipment manager. He's like, Oh, anybody that has a pair of Kobe's in the locker room, take them all away. He he only left it to Lou Williams and another player. Um, because he felt there was a Jordan was the same way. There's a specific standard. I've been here, I busted my butt, and this is what I also expect from you guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

Now, in a way, you're kind of saying that Kobe laid out the plan, but when it came to Jeter, it was more like he expected he was just an ambassador for the Yankee way.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

No, I don't think he was an ambassador for the Yankee Way. And and and again, it's not a bad leadership quality. I just feel like um he had Sebastian.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

I'm trying to like lead to your point.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

Yeah, he had Posada, he had uh he had CC, he had a lot of even Alex. Alex is more of a let me talk to you, let me let me pull you to the side, let me let you know what's going on, what's wrong. That's why Kano was Kano Cabrera, a couple of the guys were really drawn to A Rod. Um Jeter is the type of guy that he doesn't he expects like if there's a situation where with A-Rod, he expected A-Rod to know things weren't good with them. Oh, the Mets are making something happen here. They just took the lead.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 33:04

Men on first and third, two outs. All right, they're showing some fight. Um, he expected, like, yo, world champion, this is what I do. I'm crashing into the stands, coming out bleeding, I'm going between uh and I don't think he he was an ambassador for the Yankee Way. I think Jeter was an ambassador for that. It's a part of the Mama mentality, but it's not the full thing, right? And I don't want to say Mamba because I don't want to credit it to Kobe. I I think that came from from Jordan. Like Jordan in the 80s tried so hard to get everybody around him to be great, and he suffered so long, he went through the postseason that finally when he was the guy, he used his voice at that point in time. Right, and I I'm gonna get Yankee fans are cannot come after me again, but and I feel like you're having a similar situation with Aaron Josh. Aaron's a nice guy, everybody respects him, everybody likes him, but I don't think he's um a vocal type leader. I I think Stanton is, but the problem is Stanton's always hurt, so he's not gonna be there every day.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Yeah, yeah, no, and listen, the um I I think that if uh if Solo had stayed in the Bronx. Do you agree or disagree with me on the on this take right here? No, no, I I I 100% agree with you. You know, like I said, I'm not I'm not gonna you know bash you for your take or anything like that. Um I because listen, I'm I may be a Yankee fan, but I'm not one of those delusional Yankee fans that it's gonna be like uh you know, everything is all rosy and we're the greatest, and we have you have to acknowledge us and bow down at our feet and all that shit. Uh, I I'm a realist. I know when the Yankees are great, and I know when the Yankees are trash. Uh, I'm not saying they're trash right now, but I'm I'm like the point that I'm getting at is that you're always gonna get an honest uh you know uh take from me. And I think that what you're saying is absolutely valid. You know, I'm not gonna be one of these Yankee fans who absolutely worship Jeter and are gonna not gonna uh uh accept any bad mouthing of it because you're not essentially bad mouthing. You're you're you're you're making an analogy based on the situation of what your team is going through right now and how it can be fixed, how it could potentially be, and it just hasn't happened. So no, but to answer your point, that's a long-winded answer, but to to back up your point, I I 100% agree your theory.

SPEAKER_04 35:36

And I I just feel like now I'm looking in my locker room and uh Lindor is vocal, but you know, the people are gravitating towards Soto. And and that's an that's that's that's kind of like an issue, and they need to be a united front. They they really, really need to be a united front in order to create an environment where people are gonna want to be great and they're gonna want to produce and they're gonna wanna um go to war for the guy next to them.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Yeah, and you know, excuse my ignorance, but do you guys on the on your roster have that veteran leadership? Like, you know, like we have like a Cody Bellinger and you also have like Paul Gosmere, like guys that have been veterans that have been around the league and won here and there. Like, who is that guy for you guys? Bo Bachet?

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Uh he's not there because most of this team is is practically brand new, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yeah, that's that's I think that's one of the things that you're missing.

SPEAKER_04 36:37

Like, if you had like Simeon's presence, Simeon's a veteran guy, but he he doesn't have the time with the squad to be like in the clubhouse, like hey, uh X, Y, and Z, you know. Um, well, I think that's what you guys need, and I and I know JD Martinez works in the front office, but I when I saw the report that he was returning, I kind of hoped it was to be like in a bench bench hit or DH row because when he was here and Jose Glaciers were here, they were the vocal let's have a conversation, let's hold people accountable situation for that 2024 Mets team, right? Right, and then Dorr just had to do what he had to do and perform which he did tremendously.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

So let me ask you because you're the because you're the Met fan in this conversation, if they were to let go to Mendy, who you who would you like to have uh up next step at? No pun intended, besides Beltran. Like, is there anybody out there that grant that you grasp to? Like, would you bring back Buckshaw Walter? Would you go for a Bruce Bochi? Do you are all settled in on Beltran? Or what what what's what's the story there? Like, I mean there's a couple of who would you like? There's a couple options for me, right? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Um let me just put the ticker before I answer. Sure, no problem.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Mets heading into the ninth inning, leading 3-2 to the twins after a go-ahead single by Mark V. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

So and a lot of the so there's a couple names out there, right? For me, there's there's there's obviously Beltron. That that would be my number one choice. Uh number two would would be a uh conversation with Terry Collins. And the reason why I say Terry is Terry's an old school type of guy, very feisty. He protected his players, he galvanized them. I wouldn't been I I wouldn't bring Buck back because that essentially would Lindor would love that because he's he has a special relationship with he loves Buck. Um, but Buck is the let me build you guys to be a winner, but I can't push you all away, right? Uh so Terry Collins is one Girardi is a real option for me. Joe Girardi won for the Yankees, right? No nonsense type of guy.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Um he is analytical, so that's something that uh that Stearns wants.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

Stearns wants, but uh he he's a world champion manager, like yeah, and he's gonna command the locker room immediately. I don't know how his relationship is with Soto, but I know he adores Soto's game, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:29

But like Joe Girardi would actually be good in the sense also that I think because of his time with both Philadelphia and the Yankees, besides the fact that he won a championship, I think what also would be beneficial for Girardi is that yes, he is that in your face kind of guy who's gonna hold you accountable, but I think he's also smart enough to know the mistakes that he made in his a prior in his prior coaching uh duties that he would actually clean that up and try to find a balance of being a player's coach but making sure that you do your goddamn job.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

I don't think Joe's a player's coach at all. I think Joe's a no-nonsense type of guy, and I think the age of the roster and the certain players we got, he's gonna be feel he's gonna feel comfortable with. When he was in Miami, it didn't work out because he had to develop the entire team, but he's got he's got veteran guys on he would on this roster, he would have veteran guys, and he's the polar opposite of Mendy, right? Um, and he's gonna hold him accountable, he's going to uh talk about mistakes. Uh another guy I would love to have here, but baseball seems to never want to give an opportunity to a Latino is Tony Pena.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

I think the team would thrive under uh an Albert Pujols.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Those are those are the couple names that's another one, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:50

That I have in my mind. Like I I really feel, first of all, a Latin manager would be great because Mendy is Latino, but um someone that's gonna command the locker room and someone who's been a player before, has walked through, has some experience. Um, Beltron has no experience, but I feel like the fact that he played in the Mets organization has a good ties with the front office and is a Hall of Famer and is respected by the uh clubhouse.

SPEAKER_03 41:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

It would be a good situation. It would be a good situation for him.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

Yeah, I hate to make this analogy, but it's almost like with the Jets, before they hired Aaron Glenn, they I thought that they needed to hire an experienced head coach, but they ended up going with a guy who has played for them before, was a very good player for them, and knows the organization inside and now has a great relationship with the owner. And I'm not saying that the next whoever the next Met manager is gonna be is gonna be like an Aaron Glenn, but I'm just simply making the analogy about how ultimately what I feel that the Mets need, if you guys are not gonna get Beltran, what I would say is you guys need somebody that's not a rookie, that's not been there before, yeah. Yeah, you need somebody that has skin in the game as an actual MLB manager, you know, even if it's a even if it's a guy that's never won a championship before, like uh well, I was gonna say Dusty Baker, but he did win a championship. But a guy like that, you know, that has skin in the game.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

I agree with you, but the reason why I I bypass Poohs is because he's managing the winner league, yeah, and he's managed stars before, though he doesn't have experience in baseball in Major League Baseball. Um, I mentioned Terry Collins ties to the Mets, no, not the type of manager that we need is a Terry Collins type of guy, and Girardi has everything that you're looking for at as far as also being a winner. So the that would be my list of people that I would bring to uh cohen and say, hey, this this is either one of these guys are are uh are a good option for us, a good pitch.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

Or even you could even bring back Bobby Valentine.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

I mean Bobby would be great, but the problem is baseball. Um he I'm telling you, Pena, Bobby, and Beltran, right? They're not it's not like they're gonna get another opportunity. Uh um, but so my picks again. I'm gonna go over them again. Beltron is one, Terry Collins is another. Uh Albert Pool Holse is another. Actually, I'm gonna do it in order. But if not Beltron, Girardi. If not Girardi, Poohs. If not Pool Halls, Terry Collins, if not Terry Collins, while car pick, Tony Pena. Those are my five names.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Those your top five. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

Those are the five names that I feel.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Put it out there in manifestation in Metland, and hopefully they lands somewhere within those top five for you. And uh, but yeah, um It's just really sad also that the fact that we know that the end is uh very, very close for Mendoza. Uh it's just like you like car accident that you know that's waiting to happen. It's gonna be sad, it's gonna be tragic, but you know it's inevitable. I mean, Mendy's really sad when a duck when a coach is a lame duck.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

And he's surrounded by guys that are not his guys because Mendoza can uh David Stearns completely constructed the entire coaching staff around him, and they're not people that Mendy picked, right? Uh but Mendy's a strike away from getting a win and living to fight another day. If if he could go into that clubhouse and say, hey, let's win one for the Gipper, Bichette is playing short for us, safe. Oh my god. Wow. Lindor being hurt is gonna give Bo some tight ups, some time at short, and Beatty some tight up time at third. He took Mark completely off the bag. Great play by uh Vienna. I I've been impressed by how Mark defensively has been playing first. Soto really wants to win. Come on, weaver come on Weaver. So they're doing a pinch runner situation. Yeah. I think we should have kept uh Hefner, who's now in Is he in Atlanta? Jeremy Hefner, old pitching coach of the Mets? Can you double check that for me? And we should have kept Richardson the first and we could have uh we should have kept Richardson the first base coach. Oh Brian Buxton. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Uh who uh who am I looking for again?

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Jeremy Hefner, he's a pitching coach. I he went to a different team.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

I think it's the Braves. Jeremy Hefner. He is um uh he is the pitching coach for the Atlanta Braves, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

And and and where did Richardson go? He was our first base, uh Anton Richardson. He's the reason why we stole all those bases last year.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

Yeah, Anton Richardson is also with the uh Atlanta Braves as well.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

Jesus Christ. We should have kept those two. Um and just had a new hitting instructor. Yeah. Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds should get another job in baseball. So here we go. One strike on Brian Buxton and off-speed pitch in the dirt, one-one count.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Um I'm not getting the scores.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

Oh, win is not gonna do it for me. I uh they like I said, they gotta win eight, nine, ten back.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

They have to, yeah, they have to go on some kind of run.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Mm-hmm. And this is the next couple teams that you want to do it on.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

I don't know my I don't know why my episodes are oh okay. Here they go with the Mets. Yeah, top of the nine, two outs.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

One-two. One-two count on Brian Buxton. Who's on who's on base? Please. They put a pinch runner on. I didn't get to see. Weaver, please. Nothing over the plate. Bounce it, please, please, please. He hit a home run earlier. He just missed that. Fouled it back. It's a fastball. You gotta go with some breaking stuff now. Oh my god. Apologies to the uh Mendy's pacing back and forth.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

By the way, I want to apologize to the uh audience for my tardiness today. I actually went to go see the struck him out, the Mets one at theaters. All right, there we go.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

Street broken there's one right there, there's one. Yeah, the streets broken, but I don't have the endor.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

Yeah, but Mendy lives to see another day, apparently.

SPEAKER_04 48:22

He he does, and if they really want to keep him around, and the guys want if I'm Mendy, I'm going into that locker room after this, and I'm saying, you guys want to continue to fight for this, you're gonna have to fight with wins to keep me here.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:38

Um, it's the only way he's gonna motivate them. It's the only way.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

Now, by any chance, does this win, if at all, um soften the blow for what happened with our New York Knickerbockers? Absolutely not. That was a rough one.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

This is it couldn't have been a worse game to watch on a live stream because um now you're going into tomorrow night on a 1-1 and a must-win type of situation in Atlanta, and you know that they're gonna be gunning for all of them, especially Jalen Brunson.

SPEAKER_03 49:27

I mean, I think that's one of the mistakes that the that the Knicks made in game two, where Atlanta was all over Brunson, and he basically couldn't get help from anybody.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

Uh Jalen has done historically in the playoffs well on the as a villain on the road. If we could get one of those 30, 40-point performances from him, but cat needs to show up consistently. Mike Brown has to have Kat or Jalen on the floor, no matter what. He can never so one of the mistakes was there wasn't scores on the floor at a certain point in the game. So who's gonna score the ball?

SPEAKER_03 50:09

Yeah, and also a lot of people better. Yeah, the bench has to play better. And a lot of uh one of the things that a lot of people are getting wrong is that Mike Brown actually did not have a timeout to use in the last seconds.

SPEAKER_04 50:23

He did not. That's why that ugly shot. But they they Atlanta's doing free throws. You should have had a conversation with your point guard, one of your players, have him let the other guys know, hey, we're running 2-3, we're running this, we're we're running uh whatever play you have in mind in that kind of situation. So um, as much as they criticize Tibbs, Brown didn't have a play for there for that uh shot. And look at the and they were down to tweeted it out. They just needed two to tie. Yeah. So I like I I I and we I said this before the series started. I said Tibbs is a hard-nosed coach that got the most out of his starting five. Yeah, with the starting five play like they're playing for Tibbs, and Brown could do the rotations. We have a recipe for success, but um that was a terrible shot. I think also Bridges was a little off balance, um, but he should have looked quickly, see if there was something else, another option, or something. But uh, that was a awful shot. I would have much rather have Jalen throw up a prayer from the three-point line.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Yeah, I actually tweeted it out after the game. I was like, Tom Thibodeau would have had this team close out in orderly fashion. This is unacceptable.

SPEAKER_04 52:03

Yeah, because they fourth quarters weren't a problem with us, right? I mean, we come into the fourth quarter losing, had to come back and win the game and close it out, but that wasn't the situation when last game.

SPEAKER_03 52:19

Yeah, and I don't know if you caught um Don Hahn and Rosenberg, but Han Alan Hahn specifically said something that really resonated with me when I was when I was listening to the show, and he was like, you know, this this Knicks team has been together for quite some time, and yet they're still making the mistakes that they that they that they should have cleaned up uh from long ago. It seems like the same thing keeps on happening over and over, whether it's the players, whether it's the coach, or whether it's just karma, it just seems like uh it seems like you have to expect it. It's expected now that something wrong is gonna go when the Knicks, uh, you know, whether it's this team, there was a previous team, even from a couple years ago, it's just something that's always surrounding the aura of the Knicks, that something is always gonna go wrong, or they're gonna like embarrass themselves in an orderly fashion. And I don't know how they're gonna do that. And this is mistakes that they shouldn't be doing this late into the season, and as long as they've worked together and built that chemistry together.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

Well, I don't want to open Pandora's box, but um anything but an NBA finals or Eastern Conference Championship appearance is a complete failure that they need to blow up the team. Yeah, that is opening Pandora's box. So maybe we don't get it. I don't want to get it, and you know, tomorrow's a huge day in sports. There's yeah, Yankees Boston, Sabres playoff game, NFL draft, Mets play, and uh Knicks at Atlanta game three. So in a must-win situation, I believe it's a must-win situation. Yeah, they lose that they lose Thursday, and that's all the momentum swings the other way.

SPEAKER_03 54:10

By the way, I don't know if I should be uh super unproud of myself or not, but I was yesterday years old when I found out that there is a female hockey team in New York. Oh, there is there, yeah. They're called the New York Sirens, and I know this because they play in Prudential Center, but I saw in your sports on Instagram that they had a game in Madison Square Garden against Seattle, and they won and they actually packed out Madison Square Garden.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

Oh, okay. I didn't even know that.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

So now I actually found out that there is a female hockey league, and New York's team is called the New York Sirens.

SPEAKER_04 54:48

I just found out about this. So live right now. I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news. I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

Um, I look forward to tomorrow. I will be posting stuff on X and Instagram. Thank you all, my meds fans. Continue to be disappointed and remember the heartbreak and the pain. Do not be fooled by this one victory. They gotta get you those 12 back somehow, somehow. Whether it's winning 12 out of 14, you know, whatever it may be, they gotta get you those 12 back. So please cheer for the team, but do not support the team. Because I believe that that is the reason Brian Cashman still has a job on the other side of the city. And with that, I turn it over to Jason.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Well, ladies and gentlemen, everything that he just said right now could also go to my fellow Mets fans. I mean uh Jets fans. I'm sorry, Freudian's up there. Uh, same thing. Uh, support the team, be fans, love your team, but do not support. I will not go to MetLife Stadium, I would not buy any jerseys, I would not buy any Johnson and Johnson products, I will not go to uh uh Woody Johnson's hospital if you are sick or dying. Just anything that you do to avoid putting Woody Johnson having money in his pockets, do not do it because maybe that'll finally wake him up.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

Who do you want tomorrow tomorrow in the uh you guys have the second pick, right?

SPEAKER_03 56:34

We have the second pick and we have the 16th pick. Who did you want like and it looks like the Jets are leaning towards getting Arvell Reese linebacker?

SPEAKER_04 56:45

Okay, and then who would be 16?

SPEAKER_03 56:52

Uh I was actually watching Peter Schrager's uh mock draft. I forgot who he had, but um, like I said in the previous episode, I I think we need to go defense the first two rounds. Um so right now there's they have uh some people are saying Arve Reese, some people are saying David Bailey. Uh another person that has been linked to the Jets at 16 is uh Omar Cooper, wide receiver from Indiana.

SPEAKER_04 57:21

Uh Styles and Downs for me on the Giants picks. Tomorrow should be fun. Uh, unfortunately, I can't completely concentrate on the NFL draft because I gotta watch my Knicks uh against Atlanta. Jason and I will see you again next week on Tuesday. Yes. Please subscribe, like, share, hit that bell button, and uh let's go next tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

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SPEAKER_04 57:55

Yeah, whatever it's Rick G, and at I am chasing Rick Gage.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

Yeah. Well, Rick, it was always a pleasure talking to you, man. I hope you feel better with this uh Mets win, and hopefully you guys get to raking a couple more wins. I hope things get better for you, and most supposedly for our sake, I hope that we can actually pull out a win in game three for the next.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

This is this is like having a huge gash. Uh like a huge gash that was bleeding, and and and they just put one stitch on in the hospital. That's what this feels like, this victory.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

But we'll see you guys make a band-aid over a bully wound.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

Exactly. We'll see you guys next week. Same time, same channel.